OK,OK,猪感冒来源于中国zt

纽约时报给出理由:
1。 历史上的流感病毒大多由中国南部引起
2。 中国政府不透明,即使猪流感在中国发生了,他们也不会公开。
总结,猪流感可能由中国引起。

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/world/asia/29swine.html?_r=1&hpw
The Naming of Swine Flu, a Curious Matter
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By KEITH BRADSHER
Published: April 28, 2009
HONG KONG — What to call the new strain of flu raising alarms around the
world has taken on political, economic and diplomatic overtones.
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Pork producers question whether the term “swine flu” is appropriate, given that pigs so far do not seem to be falling ill. Government officials in Thailand, one of the world’s largest meat exporters, have started referring to the disease as “Mexican flu.” An Israeli deputy health minister — an ultra-Orthodox Jew — said his country would do the same, to keep Jews from having to say the word “swine.” However, his call seemed to have been largely ignored.
The World Organization for Animal Health, which handles veterinary issues around the world, issued a statement late Monday suggesting that the new disease should be labeled “North American influenza,” in keeping with a long medical tradition of naming influenza pandemics for the regions where they were first identified. This has included the Spanish flu of 1918 to 1919, the Asian flu of 1957 to 1958 and the Hong Kong flu of 1967 to 1968.
The debate is likely to continue as scientists and health authorities try to trace the disease. While all signs now point to Mexico as the epicenter,the genetic material in the virus there was a swine influenza virus of Eurasian origin. And influenza viruses tend to emerge from Asia.
Prime Minister Wen Jiabao of China called for stepped up measures on Tuesday  to prevent and control any possible cases of swine flu that might show up in the country.
Many medical historians believe that the Asian and Hong Kong flus started in southeastern China near Hong Kong, where very high densities of people live  in close proximity to hogs and chickens in rural areas and can share their viruses. Some historians also suggest that the Spanish flu also started in southeastern China.
But flu specialists in Asia said that the new virus probably did not make the jump from animals to people in Asia.
“If that is the case, you would see a lot of infections in Asia by now,” said Subash Morzaria, the regional manager for Asia and the Pacific at the Emergency Center for Transboundary Diseases, which is part of the United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization.
The neuraminidase genetic segment of the virus, which gives the virus its “N1” name and controls the ability of the virus to break out of infected cells, comes from a Eurasian strain of swine flu, Dr. Yuen Kwok-yung, a microbiologist at Hong Kong University. But he added that so many pigs are moved across national borders that it is impossible to place the location more precisely. On the other hand, pigs carry many diseases and rules regarding their import are export are strict.
There seems little indication of any outbreak of the new flu in China. There have been no recent surges in illnesses among pigs or pig farmers,according to Ben Boake, the executive vice president of the Henan Zhongpin Food Company Ltd., one of China’s largest pork processors.
Millions of pigs died in China two years ago in an epidemic so severe that it pushed pork prices up 90 percent. Veterinarians attributed the deaths at the time mainly to blue-ear disease, which does not affect humans, but also to swine flu. The Chinese government did not issue a public report assessing the outbreak and provided very few details to international organizations.
男人四十一枝花,长得不像刘德华

没有什么的,大家谈各自的看法而已。视觉不同很正常。

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“所以我说,平静一点,同时把视野打开一点。你会发现不同声音里宝贵的意见。”
——同意。冒犯之处请谅解。

“我只是说出了美国和欧盟会对这件事情采取的措施和这些措施的一些经济目的而已。”
——OK。我的意思则是,美国和欧盟这样的民主国家,言论不是铁板一块,不会像我国那样,基本由政府或大公司说了算。当然会有利益集团在游说,如同中国,但是议会和媒体上肯定会有大量反对的声音。
而且,我转帖的资料证明,流感病毒起源于中国的概率本来就大,我国也有大规模爆发猎类疾病的先例,所以,欧美真的有人说猪流感起源于中国,很可能也是一个科学上可确证的判断,可能就是一个教授发布的;这时按你的视角,不加分辩地将之说成是为了保护其经济利益而采取的措施,甚至计谋,则仍然是对外界形势的一种误判。
说这么多,并不是说欧美大公司不会对中国下手,相反,这方面我了解可能还比你多;我想针对的是这样一种心态:凡是人家说我们不好的,就是别有用心,是裁赃嫁祸。为什么反对这种心态?不是因为它显得小气(事实上,没有一个真正的强国会这样恐惧他国媒体的指责的),而是因为它干扰了我们正常讨论国是的氛围。如此而已。

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我发现你们这些人的共性就是特别极端,听不得不同声音,而又不去努力提高自己的水平。能不能把视野放开一些?我只是说出了美国和欧盟会对这件事情采取的措施和这些措施的一些经济目的而已。而这些措施都是基于对本国实际利益的一些考虑,必须要去这么做的。我没有肯定它,更没有否定它。只是告诉大家他会这么做。我说得是对是错,时间自然会验证,而且不会是很久,因为金融危机下的金融市场等不及了。
而你回的帖子,又是什么既得利益,又是什么买办,哪跟哪呀?
所以我说,平静一点,同时把视野打开一点。你会发现不同声音里宝贵的意见。
至于什么拥共不拥共,是否是被迫害狂,我都懒得讨论了。

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"其实你不就是盼望着中国也马上大面积爆发猪流感,然后把前后的新闻一对比,对中国政府开骂吗。
用心何其歹毒呀,哈哈
反共反成你这样,有时候也挺没意思的。"

——确实不是“意淫”,是“被迫害妄想症”。拥共拥成你这样,有时候也挺没意思的。

“而会这么说的,绝对是美国和欧盟国家。他们要保护自己的农业,这是必须的,呵呵”

——没办法,受惯了“专家-官员-商人-媒体”的中国特色的既得利益集团的欺凌,以为全世界都是这个样子。人家教你仇恨欧美,是因为“他们要保护自己的利益,这是必须的,呵呵”,但是你图什么呢?——家乡被污染,同胞被欺压,不但在国内不敢声张,出了国还一味地到处伸鼻子,替政府嗅出潜在的对手,倒是把一腔愤怒倒在远离千里的美国身上,教人说什么好呢?
而且,还是对国情不够了解啊。欧美跨国农业公司是在榨取中国利益,大豆,食用油,化肥,等等,不过可是要收买中国官方的买办的,只不过,这些人不像运运,是你们惹不起的。所以只好再次在这里含泪痛骂运运们。

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你自己意淫出一个对象批驳,真牛。
insectide 发表于 2009-4-29 19:47

老大,拜托了,谁意淫你,还不如去意淫芙蓉....

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说白了,我不喜欢兜圈子,直接点。
其实你不就是盼望着中国也马上大面积爆发猪流感,然后把前后的新闻一对比,对中国政府开骂吗。
用心何其歹毒呀,哈哈
反共反成你这样,有时候也挺没意思的。
很有思想的小猪 发表于 2009-4-29 19:16

你自己意淫出一个对象批驳,真牛。

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说白了,我不喜欢兜圈子,直接点。
其实你不就是盼望着中国也马上大面积爆发猪流感,然后把前后的新闻一对比,对中国政府开骂吗。
用心何其歹毒呀,哈哈
反共反成你这样,有时候也挺没意思的。

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猪流感起源何处得要专家论证,是学术问题,不是政治问题,西方政府能控制教授的言论吗?即使有教授妄断新猪流感源于中国,难道各个都这样?即使有媒体这样宣传,难道就没媒体来反驳?要知道西方国家没宣传部,没法 ...
insectide 发表于 2009-4-29 18:23

别人说这个话我绝对相信,你说我一点都不相信。
首先你懂这方面的学术吗?反正我是不懂。
其次,你会对学术有兴趣吗?我每次一上来都看见你在谈政治问题。所以你也不用兜圈子了。别人和你谈是学术问题,你就说是政治问题,然后别人跟着你谈政治问题,你马上又说是学术问题,何必呢,累不累?

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你以为别人搞学术的和卖猪的是一伙的?
insectide 发表于 2009-4-29 17:19

你又瞎激动。
我没说这样不好呀,就“研究疫苗”和“控制传播源头”来说,这样是有必要的。我只是说从经济角度来说,他们也会这么做。

另外指正你一点,美国搞学术的和卖猪肉,大豆,小麦的,就是“一伙”的。当然这是个褒义词。美国一直重视农业,从政策支持到现金补贴。年年大选,农民比例虽然少,但政策分量占得很重。搞得美国农民有时候积极性很高,玩命种。加上WTO的条款,美国人不担心出口不了。这对美国农民来说是个好事,对世界农民呢?都不说拉丁美和非洲,就中国来说冲击不小。

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